where they used to live. But I digress. The calamity must have been fairly extensive in area and intense in the terror it inspired for it is described as a single mighty blast, the sort of terror inspiring noise which accompanies all big earthquakes.. Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. 2. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. 4. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Bani, Banu. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. Their early inscriptions were in Aramaic, but gradually switched to Arabic, and since they had writing, it was they who made the first inscriptions in Arabic. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. Here you can read various translations of verse 38. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . They were more sophisticated than the Aad. Amorites Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. you who live in the clefts of the rocks[a] If we say Allah sent Nabateans a Messenger, then we would have to say that Allah sent them a Messenger WAY back (since there were no Prophets or Messengers between Isa and Muhammad (sall Allahu alayhim wa sallam) and only destroy them hundreds of years later. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. Allah sent a powerful windstorm to the Aad that destroyed them and left them sprawled and mangled in their homes. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. What is the issue here? It sure is something to ponder over and come up with a hujja to explain. A temple they constructed at Rawwafa, 200 miles north of Medina, mentions the following in a Greek-Nabataean bilingual inscription: For the wellbeing of the rulers of the whole world . They conquered other nations and treated them harshly. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. 4 Though you soar like the eagle Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. JazakAllah. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Quran and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings, The Issue of the Qurans Teaching on Islamic Monotheism. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. - _ tafseer. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. This is an article I recently wrote. And it is We who were the inheritors. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. Traduzioni in contesto per "heard roaring" in inglese-italiano da Reverso Context: These are the ones we heard roaring on Friday. Finally, we should understand that Allah has no problem replacing one people with another. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. What? This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. Is al ula walid al qura A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. 3. what they used to build and what they have built. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. Based on some of the artifacts and writing, there are several civilizations at play here and they consider that the stone carvings were the work of Nabataens), Assalam alikum but mu point is it make it sound like these 2 verses mean that thamud and AD buildings were still standing tall my point is on the arabic word atharan because does this mean that this verses are saying midian al saleh are thamud because that would be wrong, Does atharan mean we have to see it or does it just mean they made marks witch we dont have to see, Walikum asalam Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? 1. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. They were successors to the People of Noah. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. The Ayah is general [And how many a city have I (Allah) destroyed]? that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. A little later, Pliny, the Elder (d. 79 AD), a Roman historian, while writing hisNatural History,mentions theThamudaei5 a people dominant in Hegra, adjoining the Nabataeans. They were elites. There is no possibility that these were houses. Part 1_ The story of Musa. While I think thats a response one could muster the fact is that we have no evidence whatsoever for that and it does not explain why the Prophet () would have referred to them as punished people. God destroyed them. declares the LORD. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. 12. Vol. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. Claim that the Edomites are not Thamud thus the verses are irrelevant. Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. Can you explain how 89:9 is in the past tense (used to carve) because the AL (the) before the mountions bit makes it sound like in the preasent like specific if you know what I mean jazzakkallah Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. Arabization and Islamization of Syria began in the 7th century, and it took several centuries for Islam, the Arab identity, and language to spread;[19] the Arabs of the caliphate did not attempt to spread their language or religion in the early periods of the conquest, and formed an isolated aristocracy. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. The Prophet ()s custom was always to point out to his Companions the geographical locations and landmarks connected with previous Divine Envoys. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. It is estimated by some historians that Moses (s) lived around the 16th century BCE. The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were anni. Suhih Muslim _ The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat || Html Code Widget || Blogger Website Blog || At _ The story of cow. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. from there I will bring you down, It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. The points raised by alfinlandi are very reasonable to counter the points of the article. An envoy was sent to the nations to say, (LogOut/ There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. They were Giants and so powerful. And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. the fate and remains of past generations with our eyes bcuz verse 25:37 speaks about the people of Nuh AS and it tells us that Allah SWT left a sign for mankind. It is likely, then, that most of the artifacts in this region belonged to the many generations of those who came after them as the Quran mentions. Do you construct on every elevation a sign amusing yourselves? Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. The Nabataean kingdom existed from the 3rd or 2nd century BC, could it be that their punishment was a long one after a prophet was sent to them sometime before Prophet Isa AS? [Prophet], it is your Lord who is the Strong, the Mighty One. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. 6. 7. We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. It does not imply that they were carved by members of the ancient tribe of Thamd. Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. Ive discussed this more below. BUY ISLAMIC BOOKS by The Sincere Seeker for Adults & Children on AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/thesincereseekerFOLLOW The Sincere Seeker on social media to . After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. 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