According to modern pressure standards, some of the older loads for the .416 Taylor were pretty hot--but it is still capable of beating the .450/400's and those also have great reps in Africa. In the 1970s the most popular was the .416 Taylor, developed by American gunwriter Robert Chatfield-Taylor and based on the .458 Winchester Magnum case necked down. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Toll Free (888) 486-8724 These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Required fields are marked *. 2750-2800fps with a .825 BC is like a .338 Edge/RUM/Lapua with more energy and a larger frontal area. Google Analytics sets this cookie to store the traffic source or campaign by which the visitor reached the site. Please leave your valid email address below. Does Weatherby recommend specific ammunition for each caliber to get the best accuracy? Despite the legend, the .416 Rigby was actually uncommon. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. Matte finish. All current rifles are so bored, but there are also .411-inch bullets available (which is the correct diameter for the old .405 Winchester. Number 2. It is a shame how a number of good cartridges (.458 win, .416 rem, etc) have suffered perhaps unjustly given modern components. 3 OF 8 PEOPLE HELPING ME TRACK THIS LION HAD SCARS FROM PREVIOUS LION HUNTS. The elements were against us, with rain and mist making visibility poor. I hunt the big bruins with a 378 and it does a great job. "Lots of 'what ifs' ran through my mind about that event but the most important one was, there must be some reason that bear guide carried a .378! Now, suddenly, we had plenty of choices. I shot my buffalo at about 80 yards and two of the three bullets went lean trhough leaving huge (at least 60 cal) holes. It is used to enable interoperability with urchin.js, which is an older version of Google Analytics and is used in conjunction with the __utmb cookie to determine new sessions/visits. Available in 12 and 20ga., 3" chambering. A few years ago I bought a .338-.378 Weatherby, which I have never shot because the loaded shells run $150/ box! I once read that the .416wby 1 gun safari would be hard to beat Statistically speaking, so that there is no confusion when comparing the performance of the .378 Weatherby Magnum to the .416 Rigby, understand that the .378 Weatherby Magnum pushes out a projectile that is not only faster but, more powerful than that flying from a .416 Rigby. It looks like a great platform for such an endeavor but I probably wouldn't buy one. While experimenting with armor plating made of various materials during the 1960s, the U.S. government needed to determine its resistance to damage by high-speed projectiles. The cookie is set by Google Analytics and is deleted when the user closes the browser. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The .460 shoots everything well, and most loads extraordinarily. Available in 20 ga. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Today, some well-constructed, premium-grade bullets will stand up to the tremendous impact. Does Weatherby recommend specific ammunition for each caliber to get the best accuracy? A 400-grain .416 at 2,400 fps will generally out-penetrate, say, a 500-grain .475 bullet at 2,150 fps. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26 and 28" barrels. Plus, they are much more versatile, perfectly acceptable for a one-rifle safari battery, while a big bore is not. There are significant differences. Older .450/.400 Nitro Express rifles, in both three-inch and 3.25-inch versions, can vary in bullet diameter, some as tight as .409-inch and others as loose as .412-inch. In fact, I have one of the first original RSMs that rolled off Ruger's assembly line. John Rigby was an astute ballistician and brilliant engineer, but exactly why or how he settled on the .416-inch bullet diameter seems to have been lost. Your email address will not be published. If it makes you happy by all means buy it. jorge. A few years ago, an extensive test was conducted using three dBA meters placed at different distances and angles from the muzzle of a 300 Winchester Magnum. By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. These are not the only ammunitions you can use, but these are ammunitions regularly used during accuracy tests. So the ruger has an advantage of being a . Roy Weatherby introduced this extremely powerful cartridge in 1953, and at that time paired it up with the 1917 Enfield and later the Brevex Magnum Mauser action. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Although you're not recoil-sensitive, the .460 Weatherby is a true beast, with something like 8. 250 gr. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Randy Brooks of Barnes Bullets told me he likes the 350 grain X bullet from a 416 Rem (probably the TXS nowadays) for everything including elephant, and IIRC, his load was in the 2550-2600 fps range which again is not a hot load. I've had my best success with 350 TSXs and Magnum in the .378, but the 350 SMK performs well with H1000 too (seated just . The cookie is updated every time data is sent to Google Analytics. I must be careful here. My Model 70`s and CZ`s controlled feed and my "other" bolt actions have NEVER failed to feed the next round ( including WSM caliber)! OR IS MORE ACCURATE.. We do not accept returns on ammunition. 378 Weatherby Mag 300 Grain Soft Point 20 Rounds Weatherby Ammunition 378 Weatherby Magnum. To understand the development of the .416 Remington, you'll need to look at the environment in Great Britain after the end of the Second World War. Action: Bolt-Finish: FDE/Black Dual . I'm having a tough time deciding.so fire away with any thoughts or experiences as I'm open! Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" or 28" barrels. Enter American handloaders. Even Woodleigh has come to the party with their 350-grain round soft nose in a heavy-duty version. The __hssrc cookie set to 1 indicates that the user has restarted the browser, and if the cookie does not exist, it is assumed to be a new session. It is very similar to the .340 without a brake. (600 to 700 yards or so) I had a Shilen barrel put on along with a McMillan A5 stock. No, I don't have a .378 Weatherby, but I do have it's medium little brother, a .375 RUM. Yes on all of your pressure conclusions. Sectional Density (SD) of the 400-grain .416 bullet is a very high .330; SD of the 400-grain .423-inch bullet is slightly lower at .319; and SDs of the 400-grain .410-inch bullet is slightly higher at .340. The other 416's are equally efficient. WBY Ammo .378 Weatherby Magnum 300Gr. Weatherby's .30-378 is the .378 Weatherby Magnum necked down to .30 caliber and can drive a 180-grain bullet in excess of 3,400 fps. The 375 Weatherby Magnum could be considered a version of the "375 H&H Magnum Improved" family. Multiple camo patters available. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Theyre all good, and on game much the same. Google Analytics sets this cookie, to determine new sessions/visits. We turned a corner and a buffalo bull stood on the bank, alone, mature, good bosses, nice curl. My .375 RUM is on a custom Rem 700 and I've taken it on two hunt trips to Africa. 416 Rigby 416 Taylor 450 Rigby 458 Lott 458 Win. Bill Ruger was also a .416 fanand a bit of an Anglophile. 378 Weatherby Magnum This lucite Cartridge Block is now obsolete, because it does not contain the new-for-2016 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Swift A-Frame bullets are well-proven bullets around the world. Handguns; Rifles; Shotguns; . I have learned a while ago not to give up good shooters. It contains the domain, initial timestamp (first visit), last timestamp (last visit), current timestamp (this visit), and session number (increments for each subsequent session). Even the Weatherby bashers, who hate them because they can't afford the one they want, secretly lust for a 378. All loads were tested at 100 yards. Nothing runsit blasts them so hard they just collapse. AccuBond at 3060 fps. My CZ is just now starting to show the reliability of my 700. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". The.416 Weatherby is much faster, with 400-grain bullet at 2,600 to 2,700 fps, yielding more than 6,000 ft-lbs. The older 460 factory ammo at 500gr./2700 ft. per sec./8092ft. By then things were changing fast. So, take your pick, and be confident it will do the jobprovided you do yours.Craig Boddington, Main (520) 620-1220 Because of its great power and flat trajectory, suitable for hunting just about any big game anywhere, it has been referred to as "The Ultimate Rifle." The most miserable .416 I have ever fired was one of the original 700's. I have loaded and tested all of these with the exception of the LOTT which I call a "me too" cartridge as it offers nothing the others do in practical terms. Having said that, the 416 Rem I had built on a 700 was exceedingly reliable in every category. Ed Weatherby, Roy's son, designed the heavy-game cartridge by necking up the .378 Weatherby Magnum to .416. Why, the .416 Taylor is .35 inch shorter, allowing for a shorter bolt throw! Do any members have any experience with both calibers? The greater difference, however, is that a .416 (or similar) is much more effective on the upper end. Location. The .458 Lott approaches .416 velocity; the .450 Rigby Rimless Magnum, .460 Weatherby Magnum, and behemoths like the .500 Jeffery and .505 Gibbs can equal (or exceed) .416 velocities. Coming home with this exciting news, and worried that AGS was gone for good, I looked up prices some online store is selling AGS for $200 per 25. The 378 WM is a much larger base diameter and case than the old Rubberby cartridges based on the .375 H&H case. Cloudflare sets this cookie to improve page load times and to disallow any security restrictions based on the visitor's IP address. The ballistics are similar arent they? The cookie is set by Google Analytics and is deleted when the user closes the browser. Performance is, if not equal, too similar to call. etc., and am always amused. Able to fit into a .30-06-length action, with the propellants then available the .416 Taylor lacked the powder capacity to quite equal the .416 Rigbybut it came pretty close. In the .378 Weatherby, high muzzle velocities of 3200 to 3300fps help a great deal to generate hydraulic wounding on game weighing up to 600kg (1300lb). Don Heath wrote an article quite a while ago -- after 1991 -- bemoaning a lot of cartridges and rifles, the .416 rem in mod 700 among them. A .416 (or similar) is more difficult to shoot well than a .375 and does not shoot as flat. Jeffery introduced their .404 in 1909. A friend and I are seriously pondering making the trip to the Dark Continent to kill one of those ugly cows they have over there..local call them Cape Cows or something. The 460 I fired had a muzzle brake and was a little kinder to the sholder than the 416 that didnt. It was a now of never shot. It is a dangerous-game cartridge intended for the hunting of heavy dangerous game such as elephant and African Cape buffalo. Matte-finished metalwork and stock. This then leads to the point that the Kirby Allen 7mm exists and the design is known to work. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Email inquiries only for accessories and non-firearm related items. With the more manageable recoil of the 6.5/300, it may last a little longer. In tegenstelling tot de .416 Ruger en de .416 Remington, heeft de .416 Weatherby . After he found out it would easily reach 2400fps he backed off to 2300fps loaded with 3031. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. __utmb cookie is created when the JavaScript library executes and there are no existing __utma cookies. The Jeffery case could be crammed into a .375-length action. Although his exclusive arrangement with Mauser would soon end, when he designed his .416 he was the sole importer of magnum Mauser actions, so he was not constrained by case dimensions. 470 N.E. JavaScript is disabled. Must be 18 or older to purchase a firearm. I feel like the original velocities of the Rigby have been killing effectively since the cartridges creation and I do not feel the necessity to load mine hotter. Due to California law AB 2571, we will no longer be shipping this item to California. Do you or have you participated in Competitive Shooting? There is a great deal of similarity between the Wby 378 case and the 338 LM case. In the days before the .416 revival both .410/.411-inch bullets and .423-inch bullets were used for American wildcat and proprietary cartridges. Mag. All of these SDs exceed that of the 300-grain .375, SD .305, a bullet well-known for great penetration. The.416 Weatherby is much faster, with 400-grain bullet at 2,600 to 2,700 fps, yielding more than 6,000 ft-lbs. Matte finished metalwork and walnut stock. I does have plenty, but not as much as some of the exaggerators claim. Now, the .458 Lott is getting loaded modern hot, which some folks say misses 1/2 of the point. The group pictured at the bottom is a 500 grain TSX seated long at 2,640 FPS. Shorter 12-1/2 stock and 24 barrel. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&qpvt=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=E7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7ECE7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7EC, Quote from: Marishka on July 07, 2014, 06:40:51 AM, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/minimum-required-caliber/, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/best-caliber-in-africa/, http://www.farrenglobaladventures.com/Caliber%20Minimums.htm, http://www.genesisafricansafaris.com/blog/?p=168, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=604175, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbmneNCNpQ, Quote from: badsection on July 09, 2014, 03:03:15 PM, Quote from: Marishka on July 08, 2014, 05:28:52 AM. In the early 2000s, when it was really no longer necessary, I had a .416 Taylor, but it was George Hoffmans cartridge that introduced me to the .416 in the mid-Eighties. The stock shape and tire-rubber recoil pad made it hell even from offhand. Have found the No. I have at least one Mk V in all of the calibers mentioned except for .460 and .30-30. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" and 28" barrels. I have had two 416 Rems and both would shoot fatory 400 grain SAF ammo at over 2500 fps. The .450/.400, with a 400-grain bullet at about 2,100 fps, is much slower and produces less energy, about 4,000 ft-lbs. Unfortunately, 40-caliber rifles and larger are required for hunting some species of dangerous game in various countries in Africa. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. When it comes to deep penetration in the toughest game with an expanding bullet, I doubt that any other 37-caliber bullet is as effective. Depending on which diameter, theres a maximum spread of only .007-inch between .416 and .423 This is the same difference between the .270 (.277-inch) and the 7mm (.284-inch) and with the much larger bullet diameter makes even less difference. The price for all that goodness is very heavy recoil. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". You are using an out of date browser. It is my belief that 416 Rigby velocities offer ample killing power, and that when you push the same bullets up toward 416 Weatherby velocities, for most riflemen recoil starts to get in the way of good shooting, negating the edge provided by the extra energy the 416 Wby. I have a .416 Rigby and .458 WM, so have no first-hand experience with either of the Weatherby cartridges. Taylors original approach was more subdued. I like the .300 RUM and wish I would have gotten the .338 RUM instead of the big Weatherby. Elastomer stock. Performance was awesome, but please note that, when you add a couple hundred more feet per second recoil goes up sharply! I load the .300 RUM hot, mainly because it shoots the hot load more accurately. Expectional free range common reedbuck. 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